Beyond the Noisy World: The Long Lost Eight Sects: 319, you actually use mathematics

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This question raised by Mr. Zhuang, there are actually many similar situations in reality, and extreme situations are not uncommon. Bi Xuecheng scratched his head and said: "I have really seen this kind of thing. I saw it at the gate of the shopping mall outside the school last year, but no one took a knife. A boy was holding a bunch of flowers and knelt in front of a **** one knee, claiming He won’t get up if he doesn’t accept it."

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Oh, what were the people next to you doing?"

Bi Xuecheng: "Everyone is yelling, everyone is yelling-promise him! Then the two of them hugged and kissed each other, everyone applauded warmly."

Zhuang Mengzhou: "The specific situation is not clear, maybe they have discussed it in advance. Let's not talk about this, and come back to my question, what would you do in the dormitory and persuade your classmates to do the same?"

Bi Xuecheng: "Of course not."

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Why, because do you like that boy too?"

Bi Xuecheng hurriedly shook his head and said: "Of course not, your guess is too outrageous! Accepting it or not is a choice that the girl is qualified to make, and it is the consequences of her choice.

You have just said that she doesn't like that boy. What qualifications do I have to persuade her to choose someone she doesn't like, and to pay her emotional and physical intimacy or even affection? This is not in line with conscience!

Someone may try to speak quickly and coax a girl to accept a boy there. If the girl has to accept the boy for whatever reason, they may applaud. But they don't have to pay the price of this choice, and they don't have to bear the responsibility for this behavior, because it's not that they want to engage with that boy.

Actually, judging from the boy's behavior, he is using a knife to intimidate people. Who of us likes to be intimidated by someone with a knife? He didn't want that girl to follow her heart to make a choice, and to intimidate her with a knife must accept.

If in this situation, I still want to persuade the girl to accept it, it means that I have made a choice in the conflict of values, and I have chosen to identify with the act of coercing courtship with a knife. Not to mention conscience, this is contrary to the perception of normal people. "

Ding Qi nodded and said, "You can understand it."

Zhuang Mengzhou asked again: "But the boy didn't point the knife at the girl, he just pointed the knife at himself. If he couldn't get the girl's love, he would rather die. How unforgettable it is! In your opinion, shouldn't that girl be moved or moved?"

At this moment, Ye Yanxing interjected dullly: "Mr. Zhuang, you have read too many novels, right?"

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Don't talk nonsense! This is asking a question."

Ye Yanxing: "It feels like he's kidnapping a hostage and negotiating terms, but the hostage he kidnapped is himself, and the term is to get the other party."

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Your thinking has always been peculiar. This metaphor is quite interesting, but isn't the condition he negotiated for the other person to accept his love?"

Ye Yanxing mumbled: "What does it mean to accept his love? He just wants to get that girl out of his hands and satisfy his desires. Don't use the name of love for everything!"

Several coughs sounded around, some frowned, some wanted to laugh and held back.

Zhuang Zhou still said unhurriedly: "Xiaoye, although you don't talk much, you are always very acrimonious. I gave a very extreme example, but in most cases, it may not be that way. Extremely, we need to analyze the situation in detail. Let’s discuss the matter first. You are right, but I asked Xiaobi just now. I want to hear Xiaobi’s answer."

Bi Xuecheng thought for a while, seeming to organize the language in his mind, and then said: "I thought for a long time, and I think there is a problem that is very important. Why would the boy think that this way can make the girl change? Accept him with your heart? The cognitive model determines the behavior model. I really want to understand it a bit, but I don’t fully understand it."

Zhuang Mengzhou nodded slightly and said: "You finally look like your master! It doesn't matter if you don't understand it well, just say everything you can think of."

Bi Xuecheng thought: "First of all, the first one, just like Mr. Zhuang, you just asked, he thought he could impress the other person in this way."

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Well, it's possible, what do you think?"

Bi Xuecheng: "This is not impressing, but intimidation and intimidation. If you don't agree to me, I will kill myself. If you are hurt by your refusal, then it is your responsibility-this is the boy's thinking Logic."

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Well, what else?"

Bi Xuecheng: "Another one is actually the same. It is moral persecution as well as psychological pressure. One can't just watch another person die, especially because of oneself. If such a thing It really happened, how much pressure did it have to bear?"

Zhuang Mengzhou: "What do you think?"

Bi Xuecheng: "If this is the case, it would be terrible. Chasing a girl, you can treat her as best as you can, treat her as a gift, and treat her as a gift. Although I don’t agree with unilateral kneeling and licking, it’s better than intimidation and Coercion is better."

Xian Hao: "Mr. Zhuang didn't ask you how to chase girls, just talk about it."

Bi Xuecheng: "If you have to make a choice in value conflict, I will definitely not agree with the boy's behavior. This is a prerequisite, and then it depends on how to deal with it."

Zhuang Mengzhou: "You just said two, what else?"

Bi Xuecheng said with a bitter face: "Also...There is another situation that the boy really got stuck in a horn and fell into a state of paranoia, just thinking that he can't live without the girl."

Zhuang Mengzhou: "What should I do?"

Bi Xuecheng: "He should receive psychotherapy."

Zhuang Mengzhou: "If this is the case, can you persuade the girl to consider accepting him, maybe they can really make it?"

Bi Xuecheng shook his head and said: "What does that girl think, that is her business, Mr. Zhuang, you are asking me. I have no way of judging which kind of situation it is, but I will never approve of this behavior. So I can’t persuade that girl to accept it."

Ye Yanxing suddenly said: "If ten boys chase that girl like this, no matter what the girl does, nine of them must die, or even all of them! What can I persuade others to do, ten All boys accept? Even if you accept them all, it is estimated that the ten boys will not do it, and then point to yourself with a knife-you can only accept me, what about the girl?"

Tan Hanchuan couldn't help but smile, and looked at Ye Yan and said: "Yes, your thinking is really peculiar, you are a very smart engineering student. Many people do not think of using this kind of logical formula when dealing with interpersonal problems. The method of contradiction, but in fact it is the most explanatory."

Cui Shanhai also frowned and said: "If it is the one-to-one isolated system of boys and girls, no conclusion can be derived from this problem. From the perspective of mathematical logic, we can assume a conclusion, which may be correct. , But neither can it be proved to be correct by derivation, nor can it be falsified.

But Xiaoye did a good job. He expanded the system, introduced nine new variables, broke through the limitations of the isolated system, and deduced the correct conclusion through counter-evidence, that is, it should not be accepted in this case .

The specific interpretation is that the girl may or may not accept it, but no matter what purpose she accepts the boy, it should not be for this reason. Because logically speaking, if you want to prevent death, the result will also bring death. The system is not self-consistent, and the conclusion is incorrect. "

Xian Hao was surprised: "You actually use mathematics to solve it?"

Cui Shanhai chuckled and said: "It's just to discuss from another angle. I think they are talking lively, insert a few words. What is the principle of intelligence, and what is the basis of artificial intelligence that everyone is studying now? Its The foundation is mathematical logic. If someone still didn’t understand what I said just now, I can use logical operation symbols to list the formula derivation process."

Ding Qi: "I understand. If the system is not self-consistent, the program will crash, but people are not computers, and the result may be a mental breakdown caused by inner conflict."

Zhu Shanxian coughed softly: "Let me add a few words. Actually, I have encountered this extreme situation. The person involved was not for courtship, but for asking for money.

In the winter of the year I first became the district mayor, several workers climbed onto the tower crane and declared that they would jump off because they didn't get paid, they couldn't go home for the New Year, and they didn't have the face to go home for the New Year. I rushed over with the firefighting, police, and ambulance, and I persuaded people to come down somehow. "

Shang Ni: "What is the situation and how did you deal with it?"

Zhu Shanxian: "The first thing is to persuade them not to think about it. You can make money if you don’t have money. If you die, you will have nothing. It is not worth it. At the same time, I must promise to help them solve the problem as much as possible. Called the person in charge of the engineering side. In fact, the contracting party has already paid for the project, but the subcontracting party has not paid the workers.

I had to coordinate on the spot and ask the engineering team to give these workers a sum of money so that they could go home for the New Year, and then this amount of money would be deducted from the next project payment to the subcontractor. It temporarily resolved the matter. Fortunately, the project is still under construction.

I had a second plan at the time. If it doesn’t work, I’ll spend a little bit of the stability maintenance funds in the district, bring the cash to the scene to draw those people away, and then settle accounts with the owing party. It’s the money. It is the wages paid by the district for them. However, the effect of on-site coordination was not bad, and the second set of solutions was not used. "

Shi Buquan: "What happened later?"

Zhu Shanxian: "In those few years, there were more incidents of this kind, and the negative social impact was also great. Later, the government took measures and formulated preventive policies, such as designating a special account for the transfer of project funds. Under supervision, the monthly payment system is strictly adopted for wages, but now it is very rare, at least not in Yuling District.

But at the time, I could understand why those workers would take extreme actions. They didn't really want to jump from the tower, they just wanted to get their wages, but they had nowhere to go. That's why it uses this method to attract attention, and the relevant departments have to pay attention to it and find ways to help them solve it. "

Shi Buquan: "Lao Zhu, the situation you said is completely different from the example given by Mr. Zhuang? This time it is not Mr. Zhuang who has digressed!"

In the past, when people were discussing issues, it was often Zhuang Mengzhou who went off the track while talking, but this time it was not. Zhu Shanxian said with a little embarrassment: "Yes, I digressed this time! Closer to home, close to home."

Bi Xuecheng slapped his thigh and said: "Uncle Zhu didn't digress. I suddenly figured it out. The same extreme behavior depends on the unreasonable demands. Workers have to pay for the work. This is a matter of course. But that. The boy’s appeal is not justified. According to Ye's words and deeds, he has to get that girl out of his hands and use a knife at him to intimidate the girl."

Tan Hanchuan: "Why did Lao Zhu not digress? If we model the system according to the idea of ​​Gong Tan, workers will get wages for work. Logically speaking, it is the basic public setting of the system, which is self-evident! But whether the boy’s request and the girl’s choice are correct, it needs to be deduced and proved."

Zhu Shanxian sighed and said: "I am not as rigorous as you in scientific research!"

Zhuang Mengzhou then asked: "Then what about that boy? He held a knife at him. If the girl doesn't accept his confession, he will die there. Are you not going to save him? If you don't persuade the girl to accept, Are you not kind enough?"

Bi Xuecheng: "Isn’t it clear just now! Why is Mr. Zhuang going back? No matter what the girl thinks, from my point of view, it’s impossible to persuade her to accept it, otherwise I’m not enough. Kindness. I can only answer that, because Mr. Zhuang asked me."

Zhuang Mengzhou smiled and said: "In reality, if something like this happens, no matter how clear you say it, someone will always break it back. If you want to break it back, it’s not that you are confused. , It can only show that you are not upright. Many people lost themselves in this way.

You are not bad. I finally remembered that the person I asked was you from beginning to end, neither the boy nor the girl, nor the other people watching...Well, if you have any thoughts, let's talk about it. "

Bi Xuecheng: "I finally understand what you mean. I have a clear attitude towards that girl, but I won't persuade her to accept it. This is a premise. I will not go against the rest of what I should do. This premise.

What I just said was the attitude towards the girl, now I will talk about the attitude towards the boy. He may just be unable to think about it for a while, or he may have psychological problems, such as cognitive impairment, and it is more likely that it is not a good thing.

But in this case, you really can’t just watch him die. If you can persuade him or try to persuade him, it’s best to think of a way to let him put down the knife first, don’t hurt himself, and then persuade him to make his ideals clear, otherwise it’s right. No one is a good thing..."

Ye Yanxing interjected again: "Brother, what you said is correct. But in this question, you are a girl in the same dormitory, not an opponent of a big man with a knife. You want to go downstairs. Persuade him?

Since he can hold the knife at himself, he will probably also hold the knife at others. You will definitely not say that he did it right. He might be ashamed and angry. And you are giving him a hostage. If he can take himself as a hostage, why can't he take you as a hostage? Even if you don't give you a knife, and grab you and compare it with the knife, what do you tell others to do?

If this is the case, the nature of the problem is completely different. You not only harmed him, but also harmed yourself. Girl's house, don't move forward!

What if he wants to rush into the dormitory to find someone if he doesn't reach the goal? Auntie Guan could not stop a guy with a knife, so she hurriedly asked the auntie to close the door just in case. People have taken out all their knives, and if you don't call the police yet, do you feel that you have a lot of patience? "

Bi Xuecheng: "I didn't say not to call the police, nor did I say that I should go downstairs to persuade him. I only said that I should try my best to persuade and stop him. Of course, I have to pay attention to methods."

Zhuang Mengzhou smiled at Ye Yanxing and said: "Xiaoye, you talk a lot today."

Xian Hao coughed: "Ye Yan and Xing, you are deducing the scene. In fact, Mr. Zhuang just made a hypothesis. In fact, such a thing will happen. The situation may be very complicated. Hypothetical accidents can only be acted by chance. But what rules should be followed in the so-called act by chance? Different people are different.

Most of the things that actually happen in this world do not have a perfect solution, and in the end they have not been perfectly solved. Mr. Zhuang asked this question not because he wanted to be a God after his studies, so as to solve the conflict perfectly, but to let him make a choice in the conflict.

Through the choices made by Xiaobi, through his inner attitude and behavior rules, we can see what kind of person he is, or who he is. "

Zhu Shanxian groaned: "Sister Xian is right. What actually happened is often very complicated. It is not a simple and extreme assumption. For example, it was a couple quarreling and breaking up, or the girl started Abandoned in chaos, kicked, boys are getting better with others..."

Tan Hanchuan interrupted: "Old Zhu, you have digressed again."

Zhu Shanxian nodded quickly and said: "Yes, I'm the one who digressed again!"

Chen Rong said: "It's better to come back to the question. Master, can you know what kind of person he is through the question and answer of Junior Brother Bi?"

Ding Qi shook his head and said: "That's not necessarily!"

Bi Xuecheng asked aggrievedly: "Why not necessarily?"

Ding Qi: "Because we are just talking in empty talk. In this case, facing the same school and the elders, of course Xiao Bi will try his best to answer beautifully and rigorously, trying to get the approval of all of us.

We often see this kind of situation, such as what to do and what to do when talking about a certain thing. Some people say it is a good idea and a good idea. When it actually happens, it’s not the case at all, even Can't even react to the reaction.

Only in the situation of actual birth, we can see what kind of person each person is, whether it is a good person, a smart person, or a righteous person.

But today’s discussion is not without meaning. For example, through Xiao Bi's answer, we can see what kind of person he wants to be, or what kind of person he wants us to think he is. As for whether or not, I can only watch it later. "

Zhuang Mengzhou smiled and waved his hand and said: "This is the end of my problem, and there is no need to discuss it. You guys remember the words of Master, Madam, and everyone, you may really encounter them in the future."

Zhuang Mengzhou’s question is over. Shang Ni asked again: "Secretary Zhu, let's talk about the first time you killed someone. How did you move your hands at that time?"

Zhu Shanxian: "The process is very simple. He hit with a wrench, I lowered my waist and kicked on the side, and he was thrown into the ditch."

Ding Qi: "You didn't leave any footprints on him, did you?"

Zhu Shanxian: "Of course not! Am I that stupid?"

Chen Rong suddenly said with emotion: "The surname Su had already harmed others and himself. Uncle Zhu actually saved him and gave him a chance to rein in the precipice, but he couldn't see this at all, and he ended up seeking his own death. "

Zhu Shanxian: "Teacher Ding said that everyone's body and mind is his own world, and his world is like that."

Chen Rong: "People cannot be trapped in themselves, only relying on pure introspective experience. Some problems can never be verified. You must first step outside of yourself in order to recognize a clear self, and then you can do it in introspection. Round and harmonious.

For example, if you can't live without the world of Qin Gaotai, you will never know the world of Qin Gaotai, and you will never be able to reveal the truth about the arrival of Brother Tian. Even if I have any conclusions in my heart, I cannot prove or falsify it. "

Ding Qi: "Your remarks reminded me of a theorem, Gödel's incompleteness theorem."

Cui Shanhai was surprised: "Mr. Ding is a mental health professional, but not a mathematics professional. How did he learn this theorem?"

Ding Qi: "There is no psychology textbook, but when someone criticizes psychology, they often mention Gödel’s incompleteness theorem. Because many theories put forward in psychology are in the existing psychological system Within it, neither can it be proved that it is correct, nor can it be proved that it is incorrect."

Meng Hui said weakly and weakly: "Master, what are you talking about?"

Tan Hanchuan interjected: "Well...you have to understand from the third mathematical crisis, um, Turing's law of halting."

Ding Qi: "If you are interested, you can check it out, study it, and think about it yourself. It's not early today. You have to go to work and school tomorrow. Everyone should go to rest. Mr. Zhuang, I have a few more questions. Please ask, Brother Zhu and Rong Chen, please stay with you two too."

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